Monday, February 27, 2017



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It is difficult for me to chose quotes about money today; I am confused and cannot answer the question if Big money could solve the problems of LENR and how? 
Probably only by attracting many, many creative researchers into the field. We need new ideas first.


 Quo vadis LENR, if you get BIG MONEY?

On the LENR Forum, Oldguy an IH supporter, had a challengingly idea: 

My hope is that the countersuit will end up with Rossi paying some back to IH and that money can be directed by IH to "real researchers" in the field. A few million in the hands of people like Miley, Letts, Mizuno, Biberian, Swartz.... could work wonders.

I asked him

What I want is to ask you to try to tell in some detail:- what will do the "real researchers" from your short list with the great money? That is what, in your opinion, is the Tao of LENR?I have the impression that actually you are a LENR professional, present on CMNS so you could ask the real researchers about their wishes- for a start"what will you do with a 3, 5, 10 million US$ LENR funding? Or you, in case you are still active?

The essence of his answer is that he added TxTech, Brillouin and Celeni to the list- if you are interested the discussion is on the information rich LENR Forum in the long thread dedicated to Rossi vs Darden-2 p81.

The practical part of what  Oldguy says:
f I had the 10 million that Rossi was given, I would spread about 8M around to about 4 researchers allocated over about 4 years with the purpose of developing something that can be engineered to levels above 100 W or or better to 1k
Reseserve 2M (i.e. 20%) for duplication, verification, and analysis and why I said 100W or 1kW levels. You can control that level on a lab bench with accurate controls and properly dump the heat. Much smaller than 100W and it is hard to convince people of scale ups.

Big Money for LENR is a frequently recurring subject- hope, speculation, wishful thinking.
Big Money- what if? How with it?
A rule to remember- a plethora of seemingly good answers to an unanswerable question does not convert it in an answerable one..


1) From Gregory Goble
Evolution Through Cold Fusion LENR and all that Jazz

2) Low-Energy Nuclear Reactions (LENR) - Anthropocene Institute

3) From Andrea Rossi's JONP

February 26, 2017 at 4:39 AM

Dear Andrea,

reading some of me356 posts, give me an idea. To extend SSM time, the ECats or the QuarkX can be operated in a molten salt bath, the kind used in solar concentration plants (or others if 550C is not enough). The high thermal capacity of the bath can extend the SSM period, by not letting the fuel cool down. I don’t know if you already found a way to have long SSM with load (e.g. heating water up to steam), but if not, this can be a mean.

Andrea Rossi
February 26, 2017 at 4:46 PM

We already had a long SSM with a load. Thank you for your suggestion.
Warm Regards,

February 26, 2017 at 10:33 PM


Andrea Rossi
February 27, 2017 at 11:37 AM

I have been told there is some problem, but now I am with the Attorneys in a deposition, will see later.
Warm Regards,

4) Videos here: 
World Clean Energy Conference Geneva 2016 Nicolas On Lenr Technology:

5) Brilliant Recap and Summary by Mats Lewan on LENR in World Affairs!

6) New THREAD on LENR Forum:
MFMP preparing some big announcement?



  2. Big Money gets LENR gets Big Money

    I'd imagine the LENR development field is much deeper than what we see. Big Money in LENR? I'd imagine so.

    Cold Fusion/LENR/LENT is inherently open source. Much more so than any other product development. A result of cold fusion being discredited during the birth of the internet.

    No one hold on complete a-priori of a cold fusion patent. A result of the 20 year history of cold fusion patents.

    Grabbing hold of part of the LENR energy market share will be a free-for-all battle. A fertile ground for open source success.

    Our economic models will adapt and evolve.
    As the oil economy crumbles what can we create?

    What are we creating?

    “Those instrumental goods which should serve to maintain the life and health of all human beings should be produced by the least possible labor of all.” – Albert Einstein

    Robotics - Web of All Things - Personal Flight - Solar System Colonization

    Our economic models will adapt and evolve.

    Big Money is part of the LENR picture.

    1. Dear Greg,
      Fine as opinion paper, thank you!