Thursday, June 6, 2013


See please:

I commented there:

It is a good initiative to discuss this vital problem of LENR here.
I also have analysed it on my blog Ego Out and I invite the readers of BuildThe Entreprise to visit my blog or write me.
In my opinion:
a) the problem of bad reproducibility has to be judged in association with 2 other issues
weakness of the heat release and its short duration;
b) it is a "wicked problem" (see Wikipedia) even intractable if a high, say over 95% success rate is the target;
c) for the cradle system of Cold Fusion the Fleischmann Pons Cell the uncontrolled
and uncontrollable blockage of the active sites (a.k.a NAE) by gaseous molecules that are not deuterium coming from the ubiquitous air is the main cause of the bad function; add to this the low density of these active sites (valid for the systems with preformed smart and even smarter nano-structures)

d) essential- the situation has to be considered as absolutely intolerable. it is not a problem we can live with, a solution as to be found.

And it was found and is now developed on the principle that desperate diseases need desperate remedies, here desperate means radical. It is about the change of the mechanism by which the active sites are formed. The new systems imply the
continuous formation of active sites in situ- a good equilibrium between the natality, activity and mortality of active sites. LENR+ adds a new dimension- time to the classic
LENR systems.

see please the LENR+ Manifesto a sketch of this issue:

LENR+ Manifesto and Plan. (sketch)

1.  Situation: The field has PROBLEMS

2.  Cause:  It appeared too EARLY
3. Difficulty: Extreme COMPLEXITY

4. Solution: TECHNOLOGY first!
- SCIENTIFIC METHOD not applicable.
- HYBRID METHOD necessary

-  Usual SYSTEMS hopeless
-  To destroy MYTHS, MEMES!
-  Radical PARADIGM shift.


7 Task: to differentiate LENR/LENR+!
- LENR is discovery, LENR+ is invention,
- LENR and LENR+ have different mechanisms;
- LENR+ based on enhanced excess heat,
- LENR+ dynamic system of multi-stage processes;
- LENR+ is based on nuclear interactions, not reactions,
- LENR+ needs a productive meta-theory

8. Task: define, describe LENR+ mechanism;
to make hydrogen reactive and metal receptive
Polariton, Nanoplasmonics, Resonances -BEC, sequences…
Trans-theory in statu-nascendi

9. Task LENR+ R&D by HOLISTIC approach
- optimization performances/control, scale up, diversification

The solution is in development and the reproducibility problem will disappear as a bad



  1. Peter,
    Yesterday I was watching a TV show where someone made reference to a famous quote that struck me as highly appropriate to the efforts of those researchers working to understand and control LENR+ & HENI effects.

    The quote is attributed to a man named Tommy Lasorda who was a US major league baseball player. What he said resonates well in the LENR+ / HENI environment.

    "The difference between the impossible and the possible lies in a man's determination"

    A salute determined people :)


    1. even more interesting, and matching Taleb ideas:
      "Que de choses il faut ignorer pour "agir" !"
      So many things have to be ignored, to act.

      You acn understand why being ignorant or alien in what Kuhn explain:
      you find it in that summary:
      A scientific community cannot practice its trade without some set of espoused beliefs (pp. 4)
      *These beliefs form the foundation of the “educational initiation that prepares and licenses the student for professional practice”
      *The nature of the “rigorous and rigid” preparation helps ensure that these beliefs exert a “deep hold” on the student’s mind.

  2. Peter
    Following on my suggestion re difference between HENI and LENR+, I have done a bit of homework and located your interview with DGT back in August 2012 and that gives me enough of what I want to put together a layman's explanation of why DGT prefer to use the name HENI - Heat Energy from Nuclei Interactions.

    The reason this distinction is important to me (and I am sure to a lot of others), in that it partially helps deal with the incredulity of those who who are looking for classic nuclear reaction (even if deemed 'Low Energy') and wonder why there is no appreciable gamma radiation and issues around the Coulomb barrier as defined in current science.

    What I am reading and seeing is that science acknowledges that there are classic chemical reactions and classic nuclear reactions but current science is apparently unable to adequately explain the anomalous heat being observed in Rossi's and DGT's heater modules.

    I gather (this explanation may appear very simplistic) that DGTG in calling it "Heat Energy from Nuclei Interactions" believe they have an explanation for a sequence of conditions where for a small burst of time a hydrogen atom locked in Ni, can disguise its proton as a neutron which allows interaction with other nuclei. I am also assuming the the plasma ignition (ion-bombardment) contributes to this sequence.

    My post here is not me writing a claim acceptance of new science but a layman attempting to 'see' what may be happening and divining this understanding from the few clues we have.


  3. cont ...

    This link caught my eye in regard to what type of nuclei activity may be covered. Because I am not a scientist I simply don't know what is theoretically possible vs what is acceptable but am willing to try to understand what I think is possible. But even as a layman there has to be a source for the energy that creates the anomalous heat & that has to be within the realms of reality.

    So, this link had me thinking ...

    Is (assuming all works as claimed) it that the H atoms trapped in a Ni lattice and excited to a point where the electron orbit around the H proton is interfered with by an Ni lattice entrapment. that this creates a window where the proton of such H atom can be manipulated such that interaction between Ni & H nuclei allow a form of capture to occur and a release of energy (very simplistic I know).

    Hopefully someone with a better background can clarify if the linked article offers any deeper insights.


  4. cont ...

    The extract from the link may be relevant :

    Magnetic orbitals involving electrons with either deuterons, protons, or positive
    quarks, are the essence of Deflation Fusion concepts.

    The magnetic force due to spin coupling is a 1/r^4 force, while the Coulomb force is a
    1/r^2 force. At close radii, the magnetic binding between electron and nucleating
    particle greatly exceeds the Coulomb force, though magnetically bound orbitals are
    intrinsically unstable, due to their 1/r^4 nature. The hydrogen electron is
    momentarily bound to its nucleus in a very small magnetic orbital periodically, but
    briefly, on the order of an attosecond. This is the deflated state. This magnetically
    bound small state, being neutral, but having a very large magnetic moment for a
    nucleus, has a significant probability of tunneling to any adjacent nucleus that has
    a magnetic moment. The magnetic gradients provide the net energy for tunneling of
    the neutral deflated state hydrogen to the adjacent nucleus.

    Heavy lattice nuclei magnetic moments are periodically enhanced by electrons which
    enter the nucleus in their ordinary orbital states. That orbital electrons enter nuclei
    is evidenced by the facts that (1) they are point particles in valid QM treatments,
    with nonzero nucleus residence probabilities, and (2) electron capture by the
    nucleus is a real phenomenon. The magnetic moment of an electron is 3 orders of
    magnitude larger than typical nuclei. Some nuclei have no magnetic moment at all.
    Orbital electrons, when in a heavy nucleus, have the ability to form momentary
    small deflated state nuclear components within the heavy nuclei, and thus impart
    extremely large nuclear magnetic moments, three orders of magnitude larger than
    typical nuclei, to the heavy nuclei. When in the nucleus, the electrons can
    momentarily magnetically bind to nuclear particles, such as protons or quarks,
    including strange quarks, sometimes resulting in weak reactions between an
    electron and strange quark, thereby leaving behind unpaired strange matter.

    Strange quark pairs are produced from the vacuum in nuclei. If one strange quark
    is weakly transmuted, or catalytically extracted, then the paired strange quark
    remains behind in a potentially long term stable form. By deflation fusion theory,
    nuclear electrons have the ability to catalyze strange particle production from the
    vacuum and separate them, as well as produce low energy state, and thus stable,
    product particles.

    etc: ...