EXPLOSIVE INTRODUCTION
Should I say that I have predicted the explosion of MFMP's fuelled Hot Cat? I prefer to not say- then nobody can accuse me of anything; it was a coincidence.
Two days ago re my oneiric experiment with Hot Cats drowned in hot (1200C) molten tin, I wrote:
"The active cell after 10 minutes at 1130 C has shown a very rapid increase of temperature, automatically maximum cooling has started, in vain, the thermocouple died, it was visible that the molten tin is boiling in the center-above the cell Eventually great explosion with splashing of molten metal happened."
Does this speak in any way pro testing the heating method with molten tin? No, in any way
however it is clear that puting Hot Cats in molten metal is a strange idea, let's use the adequate adjective- a technically perverse idea. However it has inspired Axil to remember us a more important method- see AXIL DIXIT below.
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MOLTEN TIN AS HOT CAT HEATER
I had a fine constructive discussion about the molten tin idea with Abd who is my favorite discussion partner being a living LENR encyclopedia and because in 80% of the disputed cases we have opposite ideas. This helps us to avoid ugly words as "yes".
Abd (about the method)
Look, I get it. Seems very nice. But I see no practicality at all, no necessity to use this in a reactor at a home, for example. I can imagine, maybe, a whole sea of reactors, in a lake of molten tin.
I.e., the reactors heat the tin, keep it hot. Many of them. This is not a simple unit.
And not at all what one would use for investigations
Me
Right, Marc- it depends on how fast is it running....away. Sometimes the beauty comes from the spectacular power but you need protection. See I have described the method of quenching the vessel with cool molten tin in my discussion with my colleague Abd.
MFMP BATTLES
Live Video Feed from MFMP, Feb 5th — Experiments Planned [Update: Fueled Reactor Test ends With Explosion] http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/06/live-video-feed-from-mfmp-feb-5th-experiments-planned/
"we have a vaporized reactor!"
However MFMP plans other decisive experiments. Was this reactor failure a success? The future will show it.
GARY WRIGHT IS NOT RIGHT BUT WRONG
Statement from Industrial Heat Regarding State Inspections and Support of Andrea Rossi’s Work
Should I say that I have predicted the explosion of MFMP's fuelled Hot Cat? I prefer to not say- then nobody can accuse me of anything; it was a coincidence.
Two days ago re my oneiric experiment with Hot Cats drowned in hot (1200C) molten tin, I wrote:
"The active cell after 10 minutes at 1130 C has shown a very rapid increase of temperature, automatically maximum cooling has started, in vain, the thermocouple died, it was visible that the molten tin is boiling in the center-above the cell Eventually great explosion with splashing of molten metal happened."
Does this speak in any way pro testing the heating method with molten tin? No, in any way
however it is clear that puting Hot Cats in molten metal is a strange idea, let's use the adequate adjective- a technically perverse idea. However it has inspired Axil to remember us a more important method- see AXIL DIXIT below.
DISCUSSIONS ABOUT MOLTEN TIN AS HOT CAT HEATER
I had a fine constructive discussion about the molten tin idea with Abd who is my favorite discussion partner being a living LENR encyclopedia and because in 80% of the disputed cases we have opposite ideas. This helps us to avoid ugly words as "yes".
Abd (about the method)
Look, I get it. Seems very nice. But I see no practicality at all, no necessity to use this in a reactor at a home, for example. I can imagine, maybe, a whole sea of reactors, in a lake of molten tin.
I.e., the reactors heat the tin, keep it hot. Many of them. This is not a simple unit.
And not at all what one would use for investigations
Me
You got it indeed!
It doesn't count you got it wrong. Hot Cat for the time given is a strictly scientific issue, the task is to prove beyond any doubt that the system generates massive excess heat, then come the next tasks as to measure this excess heat (not sacrificing any kJ for the sake of the precision of the measurement), to prove that it is an effect of long duration, to investigate the parameters (actionable!) to control the phenomenon.
Nothing to do with application, molten metal is nasty stuff. Do you think Sir Alastair Pilkington has chosen it because he was fond of tin, or because the metal was so important for England's ancient history? Not on my nelly! as my first British friend, Brian Monkhouse from Petrocarbon used to say. (the American use "your nelly') Glass must float in order to be absolutely flat- and lead for example is a worse choice due to toxicity and higher density.
After the first, orientating experiments, the survivors have to think how to manage and improve the system.
Cooling? At first sight the simplest method is based on the similia similibus curantur principle - you have a vessel filled with "cool" molten tin- at 300 C or 400 C and you add measured portions of this to the 1200 C hot pool.
As regarding the Hot Cat what we need now is CERTAINTY of the effect. Different positive effects Lugano, Parkhomov are additive. And MFMP. Molten tin method could be an other additional one. Do its duty and go, not for applications.
Excess heat uber alles! And first of all!
Nick Cafarelli
Nick wants to discover and use simple and cheap methods to test LENR- as you know http://ni.comli.com/
He encourages my bisociation in this case:
Your concept mashing up glass making technology and LENR may prove fruitful.
Marc Ellenbroek
Marc understands well one of the inherent weaknesses of the molten tin method:
"Using tin for heating the hot cat may work, but I am not sure you can control the heat takeoff responsive enough to avoid runaway".
Marc Ellenbroek
Marc understands well one of the inherent weaknesses of the molten tin method:
"Using tin for heating the hot cat may work, but I am not sure you can control the heat takeoff responsive enough to avoid runaway".
So I had good discussions about the molten tin for the Hot Cat - before it will be tested by some fearless LENR lover.
MFMP BATTLES
Live Video Feed from MFMP, Feb 5th — Experiments Planned [Update: Fueled Reactor Test ends With Explosion] http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/06/live-video-feed-from-mfmp-feb-5th-experiments-planned/
"we have a vaporized reactor!"
However MFMP plans other decisive experiments. Was this reactor failure a success? The future will show it.
GARY WRIGHT IS NOT RIGHT BUT WRONG
Statement from Industrial Heat Regarding State Inspections and Support of Andrea Rossi’s Work
http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/05/statement-from-industrial-heat-regarding-state-inspections/
Re. Gary - 80% of the evil is done in the name of good, for the good, ISIS and new energy killers included. What will do Gary if Rossi's generators appear on the market? The other, actually the third side of the coin is why Rossi does not publish short -say 25 words reports of the 1MW plant each month?
INFO FOR TODAY
In Norwegian again:
Forskere: Kaldfusjon KAN ha noe for seg?
Re. Gary - 80% of the evil is done in the name of good, for the good, ISIS and new energy killers included. What will do Gary if Rossi's generators appear on the market? The other, actually the third side of the coin is why Rossi does not publish short -say 25 words reports of the 1MW plant each month?
INFO FOR TODAY
In Norwegian again:
Forskere: Kaldfusjon KAN ha noe for seg?
Researchers: Cold Fusion may have something special (discussion)http://www.diskusjon.no/index.php?showtopic=1650344
The other Norwegian paper from yesterday is translated and published here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/06/cold-fusion-if-this-is-true-the-oil-becomes-worthless-norwegian-tu-magazine/
A Hungarian contribution to LENR:
Charged particle assisted nuclear reactions in solid state environment: renaissance of low energy nuclear physics:
The other Norwegian paper from yesterday is translated and published here: http://www.e-catworld.com/2015/02/06/cold-fusion-if-this-is-true-the-oil-becomes-worthless-norwegian-tu-magazine/
A Hungarian contribution to LENR:
Charged particle assisted nuclear reactions in solid state environment: renaissance of low energy nuclear physics:
http://arxiv.org/abs/1502.01474
AXIL DIXIT
OTHER
AXIL DIXIT
Peter's instinct about liquid tin as a heat transfer medium is well founded, but in the context of the Hot cat reactor architecture as it currently stands, the integration of the current Hot cat with the well known and mature heat pipe technology is a better engineering solution.
A heat pipe is a amazing and highly efficient heat-transfer device that combines the principles of both thermal conductivity of liquid metal with its phase transition to efficiently manage the transfer of heat between two solid interfaces.
At the hot interface of a heat pipe, a liquid metal in contact with a thermally conductive solid surface turns into a vapor by absorbing heat from that surface. The vapor then travels along the heat pipe at supersonic speeds to the cold interface and condenses back into a liquid that releases the latent heat. The liquid then returns to the hot interface through either capillary action of a patterned inner surface of the pipe to repeat in a continual cycle. Due to the very high heat transfer coefficients for boiling and condensation, heat pipes are highly effective thermal conductors. The effective thermal conductivity varies with heat pipe length, and can approach 100 kW/(cm2) for long heat pipes which is 200 times more powerful in comparison with copper.
Using the heat pipe concept, the Hot-Cat industrial plant could be designed to function in a completely passive mode without any moving parts or computers. The key to this design is to use a small diameter lithium moly or zirconium heat pipe (2cm) to remove high temperature heat from the reactor core. A lithium heat pipe operates in the heat range between 900C and 1700C. This powerful implementation of the heat pipe has a heat transfer capability many thousands of times grater than boiling water. In detail, the heat transfer capacity moves heat at 125 kilowatts per square centimeter of surface area. Such heat transfer power could literally cool the surface of the Sun.
Unlike Rossi's system, such a system would operate as an sealed isolated unit in a vacuum with the core of the Hot cat at ambient pressure.
How to select the right heat pipe for a given application.
A CO2 turbine generator the size of a bread box could be integrated into the heat pipe Hot cat to generate electric power. Alternatively, a closed cycle liquid metal magnetohydrodynamic generator (MHD generator) could do the job without any moving parts.
Rossi will face devastating competition from advanced power plant designs when the mystery of the Hot-Cat core is resolved.
The power of light-matter coupling http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2015/02/150205083042.htm
It is about polaritons and it is very probable polaritons play a leading role in LENR
Polaritons appear to be just another semantic renaming exercise much like that of cold fusion to lenr. Schwinger and many others immediately following Pons and Fleischmanns announcement stated that a coupling between photon and phonons (light and matter) was required by cold fusion to explain how to attenuate expected energetic penetrating radiations.
ReplyDeleteIt's the oldest game in the book of science. If you didn't invent it rename it and claim you did.
The quasi-Nambu-Goldstone (qNG) bosons is the big name in physics now. It is central to supersymmetric theories, dark energy and dark matter. The polariton is a quasi-Nambu-Goldstone (qNG) boson.
DeleteSee for dark energy
http://arxiv.org/pdf/1404.1570v2.pdf
The heat pipe has one great advantage over liquid tin. By using a heat pipe, the temperature throughout the core of the Hot Cat will be kept at a constant temperature(isothermal) within a degree of two between the hot side and the cold side. This temperature equalization is carried almost instantaneous since the speed that heat travels carried on metal vapor is many 1000s of feet per second.
ReplyDeleteBy contrast, the speed of heat transfer in liquid tin is limited by the speed of heat convection.
Heat transfer in a heat pipe network can be controlled by the regulation of metal vapor flow through the heat pipe network.
In modern society, the lab glass reactor has important effects on many ways. Here: www.toption-china.com/products/lab-glass-reactor. Actually, this equipment is sometimes called ultrasonic cell grinder under many situations.
ReplyDeleteRecall that August 5, 2015 the LA Times carried an article about WWII Japan's two atom bomb programs. One by the Navy. One by the Army.
ReplyDeleteThat article also mentioned that much of the Japanese research equipment, and other items, were left behind in a site in what is now North Korea.
The site in Manchuria/Harbin was earlier eradicated by the 7th Air Force, or maybe an accidental explosion ~ as were all of the researchers but 1 guy who made a lot of notes after the war. They ended up in a book, but they are limited.
No one ever found any radioactive materials at or near any of the various nuclear sites the Japanese used ..... which would be typical of what you get when you are experimenting with LENR processes. I think this problem first arose with Fleischman/Pons, and later with Rossi experiments, and others like them. Many of the explosions are attributed to build up of Hydrogen gas.
Recall, the Japanese had little or no access to uranium ~ actually took a shipment of Uranium Oxide from the Germans! They had some heavy water from somewhere ~ likely the same source.
So, we might ask just what sort of atom bomb were they after, and is it possible the North Koreans (Norks) found the Japanese equipment and workable prototypes ~ which would explain several mysteries about ALL of their test fires ~ radiation is always way below what was expected, and energy release was also low...
This latest event in North Korea may well be a demonstration of a FUSION reaction where the trigger is actually a device powered by an LENR reaction....
Thinking of the stuff the Norks are doing as truly comparable to Western hot fission/fusion developments may well be the wrong way to look at it.
I rather wonder what a series of wall to wall LENR fusion landmines all along the Chicom/Nork border would do to politics.... remember, the Nork primary devices are considered too big to launch with ICBMs, so what is an alternative use?