Saturday, November 21, 2015



There's always another way. And that doesn't make them bad or worse than other ways. Things are bad right now, sure, but they don't have to be. Things are the way they are- it's how you handle them that determines the outcome. (Courtney Turk)

In LENR , Andrea Rossi's Way is not unique however it is the first- it leads to LENR +

The Future will show how many ways are and which ones are the best- in given circumstances for definite applications.


a) For the Global Network of LENR  Meta Management- it is more and more visible a healthy trend of finding new ways for LENR technologies. Brillouin's actions are encouraging, from Russia comes an efficient variant of plasma electrolysis, Prosvirnov writes about the plasma vortex technology of Klimov- to be followed with attention and good wishes; there are other Russian achievements too
obviously they have IP and priority elements so this cannot be presented openly. My bet or deeply wishful thinking is that China, Japan and India have started serious work  in LENR and here serious i.e.
focused on the core means combinations of scientific and technological approaches- with engineering being the lead and the key.
A pleasant but still mysterious surprise is paper no. 2 below- something happens at Uppsala- I hope Mats Lewan or even Bo Hoistadt will tell more about this.

b) We don't know if Jean-Paul Biberian will present this evening his LENR conference In Paris-
a town badly hit by terror. My best wishes go to Jean-Paul. 
LAST MINUTE- it will take place!

c) Before my travel, Edmund Storms wrote:
Peter, if progress is to be made, we need to apply what is known as a fact, not use proposed theories as a starting point. If the facts are applied effectively, most present explanations would have to be totally rejected.  We have too many of explanations only because the facts are ignored.  Instead, everyone picks the facts that fit their imagined theory or use a phenomenon popular in physics as justification.  I see no acknowledgement of there being any basic facts of importance or of the need to include basic chemical understanding in an explanation.  Consequently, I'm not optimistic for any progress any time soon.  Right now, what little money is being applied, is under the restraints imposed by commercial interests.  I see very little hope for progress until public money is applied and universities get involved.  Until this happens, we can debate and complain all we want with out any effect on the future use of LENR.

With all due respect, I am thinking very differently:

A. What is known about LENR s facts is not much and I doubt that what is true about a wet system at 70 C is also directly applicable or transferable for a dry system at 500 or 1200 C with a different metal and the other isotope of hydrogen.
I think NAE, active sites is a fact indeed but their nature as empty not structured cracks has to be demonstrated.
Essentially I think firmly that what we do not know is still much more decisive for both explaining and developmental success. For solving the Problems.
A commercial triumph is the way toward theoretical understanding not the opposite.
I am aware this is a heretic idea.


1)The very significant Prosvirnov paper is discussed here too:
‘Our Response to A Rossi’ ( Reports on Successful Russian LENR Systems):

and on the LENR Forum:

2) Rossi E Cat Test Scheduled At Uppsala Rossi Cold Fusion Lenr
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3) In Russian
The Reactor block of Andrea Rossi, capacity !MW is ready for the market
photos, comments

4) From Andrea Rossi- 
Andrea Rossi- update
November 21st, 2015 at 7:31 AM

Let’s hope we’ll spend in the plant a calm week end…now, at07.30 of November 21, the situation is stable for the 1 MW E-Cat, while the E-Cat X is working maintaining her promises, so far.
Warm Regards,

Andrea Rossi=
November 21st, 2015 at 7:37 AM

Tess Stanley: paper about Theory coming
Prof Cook and I continue to work on it; it is not an easy work, because we want to reach a substantial progress under the theoretical point of view, with a substantial mathematical structure. So far we are satisfied of the work done, but conscious of the fact that it still is not mature for publication.
I am learning strongly from him.
Warm Regards,

5) LENR PIRAMIDALE e le Anomalie termiche di Cheope
Interesting, but I have always preferred cubes and spheres to pyramids

6) Dutch Popular Science Magazine will Devote Article to Cold Fusion/LENR (John Schut)

7) Direct Electricity Production from LENR (Axil Axil):

Google Scholar sends with some delay: (known papers)

1) Condensed Matter Nuclear Reactions
by P.A. Mossier Boss and L.G. Forsley

2) From Dark Gravity to LENR 
by Frederic Henry-Couannier


Carnegie's Ivan Naumov and Russell Hemley discover hydrogen forms grapheme layers/clusters instead of metal under pressure.

This is an experimental validation of the Rydberg matter structure of hydrogen.

Instead of high pressures, quantum mechanics can produce this ring structure using a principle called Rydberg Blockade.

Potassium provides a quantum mechanical template that directs hydrogen to form in rings just like potassium does...or lithium.
Mesoscopic Rydberg-blockaded ensembles in the superatom regime and beyond


  1. I have a say; there are always at least two possibilities in every situation until the final day.
    Your motto in another form.
    It can be fitting the debate between you and Ed Storms. My opinion is that you both are right (I seldom get to be this diplomatic:) I agree with you that a commercial LENR product will drive to a solution. That is when Ed Storms can have funding for universities and then we will find solutions that explain theory, which will drive engineering and better (more effective) LENR solutions.
    In an ideal world the solution ED Storms suggest would work because politicians and bureaucrats would realize, which investments should be carried by society in general as they are too risky for business. The reality is that public funding always has as a first priority to CYA. That is opposite to take risk. Therefore we need Rossi and others that invest both there money and reputation.
    I have no means to predict the success or failure of Rossi's e-cat. I know he has a lead in time and has obviously made serious industry leaders convinced he has a technology that will produce. I hope that Rossi will succeed. It sounds good to me. If he fails - he still have made a great contribution to the possibilities to find a LENR solution.
    One must recognize the work of Ed Storms as well. He -as I understand - is doing his work financed by himself. That is entrepreneurial. I hope he finds the theoretical solution and the Nobel price. He more deserve that than the guys just adhering to what is politically correct.

    1. Dear Lennart,
      the differences in thinking, judging the value of te known and unknown, diversity/unicity, otherness vs sameness of PdD vs NiH are too great
      Ed Storms has great merits, PdD not more its historic role was already played

    2. Dear Lennart,
      the differences in thinking, judging the value of te known and unknown, diversity/unicity, otherness vs sameness of PdD vs NiH are too great
      Ed Storms has great merits, PdD not more its historic role was already played

  2. The use of deuterium in LENR first came about because of the “Hot fusion theory” that deuterium was required to produce neutrons, helium, and heat. This theory overhang fiasco has lasted until this very day and has become an unthinking idea that has clouded LENR reasoning for these past 26 years.

    I have just posted how I believe that Protium and deuterium should be used properly as far as the polariton theory is concerned. Deuterium should be used in the XUV range only. Don’t expect heat to be generated by deuterium. The experiments of Holmlid have verified this thinking. In his experiments, UV light from florescent tubes in Holmlid’s lab produce subatomic emissions.

    Holmlid’s deuterium based reaction produces a shock wave where subatomic and atomic nuclear residue explode outward at 1/3 the speed of light. Rather that use this wonderful pressure wave to produce energy, Holmlid wants to utilize heat like F&P had done so long ago.

    LENR is like a radio; if you want to hear the music, you must tune to the right frequency.

    Yesterday, Phonon Energy put out this request for help to find the right frequency in the infrared as follows:

    Because Phonon Energy is taking its queue from the LENR old school who still wants to use deuterium to produce heat, Phonon Energy will be wasting its time with infrared lasers looking for the right frequency of infrared EMF to use. So Sad.

    The right frequency to get the most out of deuterium is in the XUV range and shockwaves are how LENR energy is produced there. If we want to use deuterium, we must build a Papp engine with pistons pushed by shockwaves and NO HEAT.

    We can’t tell Mother Nature what to do, She has her own way of doing things and if we don’t tune in to what she wants, then will not here her sweet songs.

  3. How to harvest energy from the deuterium based XUV LENR reaction.

    The Papp engine produced excess electrons and that system used XUV EMF to stimulate the LENR reaction. The Papp engine used special electrodes called hollow screw threaded closeable buckets which contained an alpha emitter in a cavity like radioactive radium or thorium, where a electric arc greatly stimulated the alpha emitter. The excess electrons produced by the XUV based reaction were attracted to highly ionized positively charged buckets. This technology was used in the 1930's for lightning rods where Papp pick its up its use from.

    Since 1975 and under license from the Greek Atomic Energy Commission, installing radioactive lightning conductors was allowed. The lightning rod’s head had radioactive isotopes Am-241 or Ra-226. The intensive ionization of air around the rod’s head caused by the charged particles, created an attractive pole for lightning. Depending on the amount of radioactivity in the head – in μCi – the protection radius was determined from R = 50 to 400 meters.

    The Papp engine that was self powered by recycling overunity electrons produced by the XUV LENR reaction.

    To see how this all works, look at starting at 21:10 of the video below. Watch the motor in the background driven by the feedback current gathered by the electrons gathered by the thorium filled buckets. During firing, the motor has a spinning white circular disk on it with four holes placed around the edge that allows you to see the disk in motion.

    Bob Rohner still uses buchet electrodes to gather excess electrons but he still uses noble gases to produce the reaction. IMHO, deuterium is far better.

    Holmlid also uses XUV and deuterium that produces K-mesons which eventually decay to electrons. It seems like XUV based high energy LENR reactions produce excess electrons.

    IMHO, Rossi is using the XUV high energy LENR reactions in the E-Cat X to also produced excess electrons.

  4. IMHO to generalize, there needs to be a match between the frequency of light produced in a LENR system and the materials that produces that light. For example, nickel/hydrogen-1 produces infrared light and does not absorb it.

    Deuterium produces XUV and does not absorb it. The use of water in a deuterium system is bad because pure water absorbs XUV.

    The interesting case is with Co-deposition in a Pd/D system, When Palladium chloride is added to the water, that mix does not absorb XUV. That is why Co-Deposition works every time,

    In Mills case, Copper and water produce visible light and does not absorb it.