MOTTO
You must learn from the mistakes of others. You can't possibly live long enough to make them all yourself. (Sam Levenson)
QUESTION DU JOUR:
IN WHICH EXTENT, ON WHAT ENERGY MARKETS, CAN THE BRILLOUIN TECHNOLOGY BE DEVELOPED IN A COMPETITOR/ALTERNATIVE OF THE
E-CATS?
DAILY NOTES
a) A perfidious question: Genuine LENR was already discovered or has still to be invented?
I define as "genuine" LENR its forms that can be developed in a valuable energy source.
I came upon this question from a discussion with my wife who helps our three grandchildren - grades 3, 5 and 7 learning mathematics, Yesterday we have discussed about prime numbers and numbers as Pi and e,about the "reality" of them
So we have arrived to the question-over-our-heads: was mathematics discovered or invented? Other universes or ETs have the same mathematics? (I have to ask the opinion of Jean Francois Geneste who has written a bright essay about mathematics and physics) But your opinion- even private is welcome, dear readers.
As I told more times, I think that Fleischmann and Pons have discovered n incomplete form of LENR and the genuine one is in a "status inventandi" if you will excuse me for the use of a pidgin Latin.
b) Other statements of Abd ulRahman Lomax my comments;
Clear logic and wisdom in his conclusions of the LENR zombies story
"Zombies" is, of course, a riff on Simon's Undead Science, and Simon notes the social phemomena. What happened in 1989 was, as Huizenga called it, the Scientific Fiasco of the Century, and if anyone thinks that all the responsibility for this is on those nasty physicists, they are not familiar with the history ... or are zombies.
The real issue now is how we clean up that mess. It's rather obvious that the appearance of a practical commercial device, that anyone can buy and test, will change everything. So does this mean we can just sit back and relax, and Saint Rossi will save us? Maybe. While I dislike how Rossi has played fast and loose with science, the lost opportunity cost for postponing the day when real cold fusion technology is available, I estimate at a trillion dollars per year. If Rossi ends that, he's forgiven a multitude of sins.
However, failure is not impossible, it can happen in many ways, and not just what the pseudoskeptics think, that he's a fraud. So, because of the magnitude of this issue, I'm suggesting a backup plan. I've called it Plan B, which is to establish and continue the science. And this is happening. These are not competing initiatives, the funding for them is distinct and different.
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Re scale-up we remain in disagreement somewhat, but doesn't matter : he will not
be consulted for it and my glory as scale-uper chemical engineer belongs to the former century. Without reliability scale-up is impossible, with reliability you have to find a specific way, that can be difficult.
You wrote:
"My ideas about scale-up are in contradiction with yours. Size matters in many ways. Scale-up is technological art"
The problem with scale-up is reliability. If I assume that the Rossi MW generator actually exists, what he has done could be to multiply up an unreliable technology. So it works on statistical reliability. He can keep replacing units that stop operating. Rossi is generally operating, if the general impressions are correct, below an efficient temperature, because it would be too close to runaway. It's his control method.
We have no reliability data from Rossi devices. He has rather carefully concealed that. The Levi et al demonstrations with three devices showed three radically different operations.
If PdD can be made reliable, what we have is extremely high energy density (from deuterium fusion, much more energy per mole than any comparable reaction with hydrogen. If devices can be reduced to the minimum necessary, without all that wasted bulk, it is not impossible that practical PdD devices could be made, and they would probably consist of many small individual devices, not one big reaction cell.
However, NiH might also be amenable to this. If Rossi really has a reasonably reliable small 10 kW reactor, he would already have a product that could sell. But if the reactors of that size are not reliable, this explains the reluctance to release them. hence the MW device, consisting of many of these.
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DAILY NEWS
1) A German language blog with correct and updated info re LENR
The infinite and clean energy comes earlier than we have thought http://www.fehnblog.de/lenr-die-unendliche-und-saubere-energie-kommt-frueher-als-gedacht.html
2) I have not known this site till now
E-Cat Technology and Cold Fusion
http://energyfanatics.com/2015/11/09/e-cat-technology-cold-fusion/
3) About Brillouin.
BREAKTHROUGH ENERGY, BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS, POLITICS
http://coldfusionnow.org/brillouin-energy-corp-hosts-information-session-on-lenr-thermal-energy-technology-at-u-s-capitol/
BRILLOUIN ENERGY CORP. HOSTS INFORMATION SESSION ON LENR THERMAL ENERGY TECHNOLOGY AT U.S. CAPITOLMAJOR UNITED STATES ENERGY BREAKTHROUGH ANNOUNCED AT U.S. CAPITOL
http://conservativebase.com/719832/major-united-states-energy-breakthrough-announced-at-u-s-capitol/
Also discussed at the LENR-Forum:
http://www.lenr-forum.com/
4) Rossi's Generator- just another scientific scam or a step in the future?
Генератор Росси. Очередная научная афера или шаг в будущее???
http://nnm.me/blogs/voyager2/generator-rossi-ocherednaya-nauchnaya-afera-ili-shag-v-budushee/
Actually an almost objective paper
5)Edmund Storms just has published an appeal to LENR theorists;
CMNS: requirements a theory of LENR must acknowledge
http://lenrexplained.com/2015/
AXIL'S OPINION
I see the situation that currently exists in physics a bit differently. I have been connecting the dots in LENR for many years now by using systems engineering methods. I have yet to find a dot that has not been described by some aspect in science in one field or another.
One interesting field in science that I has discovered a newfound appreciation for is string theory. Up until recently, I had considered it a waste of good brain power, but then I found that the predictions that string theory makes fits perfectly well the weird data that has recently come from Rossi and Holmlid. With LENR, if people have to have a good handle on string theory and quantum mechanic to appreciate it, its common acceptance will go wanting.
Even more amazing is that the people that have produced these predictions as an abstract exercise in mathematical construction and logic do not believe that these behaviors can possibly exist in real life.
Like quantum mechanics, understanding LENR is not easy. LENR will not be accepted in the short term because its causation is currently beyond the scope of old science that most people have accepted as reality. LENR has been discovered and forgotten in 30 year cycle since the time of Tesla and it won't find its way into common science belief for some time yet. The paradigm shift in science that LENR portends is the most radical that has yet been experienced by humankind. But the one thing that would force the issue is the release into the market of a got to have LENR product that becomes indispensable to everyday living. When people are faced with this conundrum, minds will be forced to adjust if money is to be made under the new paradigm. Making money is the most persuasive motivator in our lives these days. Not even paradigm warfare can long resist the profit motive.
OTHER
a) Real World Problem Solving: Layer upon layer of stress:
E-CATS?
DAILY NOTES
a) A perfidious question: Genuine LENR was already discovered or has still to be invented?
I define as "genuine" LENR its forms that can be developed in a valuable energy source.
I came upon this question from a discussion with my wife who helps our three grandchildren - grades 3, 5 and 7 learning mathematics, Yesterday we have discussed about prime numbers and numbers as Pi and e,about the "reality" of them
So we have arrived to the question-over-our-heads: was mathematics discovered or invented? Other universes or ETs have the same mathematics? (I have to ask the opinion of Jean Francois Geneste who has written a bright essay about mathematics and physics) But your opinion- even private is welcome, dear readers.
As I told more times, I think that Fleischmann and Pons have discovered n incomplete form of LENR and the genuine one is in a "status inventandi" if you will excuse me for the use of a pidgin Latin.
b) Other statements of Abd ulRahman Lomax my comments;
Clear logic and wisdom in his conclusions of the LENR zombies story
"Zombies" is, of course, a riff on Simon's Undead Science, and Simon notes the social phemomena. What happened in 1989 was, as Huizenga called it, the Scientific Fiasco of the Century, and if anyone thinks that all the responsibility for this is on those nasty physicists, they are not familiar with the history ... or are zombies.
The real issue now is how we clean up that mess. It's rather obvious that the appearance of a practical commercial device, that anyone can buy and test, will change everything. So does this mean we can just sit back and relax, and Saint Rossi will save us? Maybe. While I dislike how Rossi has played fast and loose with science, the lost opportunity cost for postponing the day when real cold fusion technology is available, I estimate at a trillion dollars per year. If Rossi ends that, he's forgiven a multitude of sins.
However, failure is not impossible, it can happen in many ways, and not just what the pseudoskeptics think, that he's a fraud. So, because of the magnitude of this issue, I'm suggesting a backup plan. I've called it Plan B, which is to establish and continue the science. And this is happening. These are not competing initiatives, the funding for them is distinct and different.
------------------------------------------------------------
Re scale-up we remain in disagreement somewhat, but doesn't matter : he will not
be consulted for it and my glory as scale-uper chemical engineer belongs to the former century. Without reliability scale-up is impossible, with reliability you have to find a specific way, that can be difficult.
You wrote:
"My ideas about scale-up are in contradiction with yours. Size matters in many ways. Scale-up is technological art"
The problem with scale-up is reliability. If I assume that the Rossi MW generator actually exists, what he has done could be to multiply up an unreliable technology. So it works on statistical reliability. He can keep replacing units that stop operating. Rossi is generally operating, if the general impressions are correct, below an efficient temperature, because it would be too close to runaway. It's his control method.
We have no reliability data from Rossi devices. He has rather carefully concealed that. The Levi et al demonstrations with three devices showed three radically different operations.
If PdD can be made reliable, what we have is extremely high energy density (from deuterium fusion, much more energy per mole than any comparable reaction with hydrogen. If devices can be reduced to the minimum necessary, without all that wasted bulk, it is not impossible that practical PdD devices could be made, and they would probably consist of many small individual devices, not one big reaction cell.
However, NiH might also be amenable to this. If Rossi really has a reasonably reliable small 10 kW reactor, he would already have a product that could sell. But if the reactors of that size are not reliable, this explains the reluctance to release them. hence the MW device, consisting of many of these.
---------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
DAILY NEWS
1) A German language blog with correct and updated info re LENR
The infinite and clean energy comes earlier than we have thought http://www.fehnblog.de/lenr-die-unendliche-und-saubere-energie-kommt-frueher-als-gedacht.html
2) I have not known this site till now
E-Cat Technology and Cold Fusion
http://energyfanatics.com/2015/11/09/e-cat-technology-cold-fusion/
3) About Brillouin.
BREAKTHROUGH ENERGY, BUSINESS AND ECONOMICS, POLITICS
http://coldfusionnow.org/brillouin-energy-corp-hosts-information-session-on-lenr-thermal-energy-technology-at-u-s-capitol/
BRILLOUIN ENERGY CORP. HOSTS INFORMATION SESSION ON LENR THERMAL ENERGY TECHNOLOGY AT U.S. CAPITOLMAJOR UNITED STATES ENERGY BREAKTHROUGH ANNOUNCED AT U.S. CAPITOL
http://conservativebase.com/719832/major-united-states-energy-breakthrough-announced-at-u-s-capitol/
Also discussed at the LENR-Forum:
http://www.lenr-forum.com/
4) Rossi's Generator- just another scientific scam or a step in the future?
Генератор Росси. Очередная научная афера или шаг в будущее???
http://nnm.me/blogs/voyager2/generator-rossi-ocherednaya-nauchnaya-afera-ili-shag-v-budushee/
Actually an almost objective paper
5)Edmund Storms just has published an appeal to LENR theorists;
CMNS: requirements a theory of LENR must acknowledge
http://lenrexplained.com/2015/
AXIL'S OPINION
I see the situation that currently exists in physics a bit differently. I have been connecting the dots in LENR for many years now by using systems engineering methods. I have yet to find a dot that has not been described by some aspect in science in one field or another.
One interesting field in science that I has discovered a newfound appreciation for is string theory. Up until recently, I had considered it a waste of good brain power, but then I found that the predictions that string theory makes fits perfectly well the weird data that has recently come from Rossi and Holmlid. With LENR, if people have to have a good handle on string theory and quantum mechanic to appreciate it, its common acceptance will go wanting.
Even more amazing is that the people that have produced these predictions as an abstract exercise in mathematical construction and logic do not believe that these behaviors can possibly exist in real life.
Like quantum mechanics, understanding LENR is not easy. LENR will not be accepted in the short term because its causation is currently beyond the scope of old science that most people have accepted as reality. LENR has been discovered and forgotten in 30 year cycle since the time of Tesla and it won't find its way into common science belief for some time yet. The paradigm shift in science that LENR portends is the most radical that has yet been experienced by humankind. But the one thing that would force the issue is the release into the market of a got to have LENR product that becomes indispensable to everyday living. When people are faced with this conundrum, minds will be forced to adjust if money is to be made under the new paradigm. Making money is the most persuasive motivator in our lives these days. Not even paradigm warfare can long resist the profit motive.
a) Real World Problem Solving: Layer upon layer of stress:
http://www.utdailybeacon.com/opinion/article_593f7b12-86a8-11e5-ad67-3bdaa6fa89e3.html
b) Scientific research is conservative but could be accelerated, analysis finds
Computational study of millions of articles shows lack of risk-taking slows discovery, but alternative approaches could unleash it
b) Scientific research is conservative but could be accelerated, analysis finds
Computational study of millions of articles shows lack of risk-taking slows discovery, but alternative approaches could unleash it
A good, wise paper about the essence and main weakness of Sceientific Research.
But why, for Pallas-Athena's sake, it does not cite my "Message from the far-right side of the Medawar Zone" essay?
Peter - today's blog items in total are a gem !.
ReplyDelete- Abd's writing is very finely tuned and insightful. 10 out of 10.
- The Brillouin presentation on 'Capitol Hill' along with McKube's presence and paper is a seminal event for LENR.
- Axil's comments are (as is so often the case) highly thought provoking.
Mark this blog post as a special read - it is a 'must read' set of contributions.
Cheers Doug Marker
Dear Doug,
DeleteThanks, yes I am much helped by collaborators and by...the Events to come.
For today I am planning an Editorial about alternatives to Ed Storms Requirements Ed is a champion, a hero and I like him much, he has huge merits in CF/LENR. Just we are thinking differently.
Your opinion is welcome irrespective of whom/what do you support
I can be faulty and a sinner against Science- however EGO OUTmust be a
correct, ethical Blog.
Best,
Peter
Dear Doug,
DeleteThanks, yes I am much helped by collaborators and by...the Events to come.
For today I am planning an Editorial about alternatives to Ed Storms Requirements Ed is a champion, a hero and I like him much, he has huge merits in CF/LENR. Just we are thinking differently.
Your opinion is welcome irrespective of whom/what do you support
I can be faulty and a sinner against Science- however EGO OUTmust be a
correct, ethical Blog.
Best,
Peter