Tuesday, June 16, 2015

LENR INFO FOR JUNE 16, 2015


MOTTO

We don't have to save the world. The world is big enough to take care of itself.What we have to be concerned about is whether or not the world we live in will be capable of sustaining  us in it"
(Douglas Adams)

The present situation of our world is bad, but it always was so, just the form is changing. Only REASON and WISDOM can save it. LENR can contribute by getting it read of the big, bad, dirty, expensive fossils.
A long way to go, if it is about an Energy Revolution the equivalent of the Information Revolution just taking place. Speaking about equivalent;
The equivalent of 1 gram matter is 25000MWhours energy. The Lugano Test, now temporarily mythical is 1 gram has generated 1.2MWhours energy. it's a long way to go in  a saved World.


DAILY NEWS

1) Ask questions to Andrew Hrischcanovich (Ukraine)
http://www.lenr-forum.com/forum/index.php/Thread/1772-Ask-questions-to-Andrew-Hrischcanovich-Ukraine/

2) Rossi: Conducting R&D for Direct Electricity Production from Hot Cat [Update: Rossi has said E-Cat Gives ‘Electrostatic’ Chargehttp://www.e-catworld.com/2015/06/15/rossi-conducting-rd-for-direct-electricity-production-from-hot-cat/

3) Jim Rovnak's initiative- a pro-LENR petition to the White House
Speed up development of clean, really too cheap to meter Low Energy Nuclear Reaction (LENR) power generation.
https://petitions.whitehouse.gov//petition/speed-development-clean-really-too-cheap-meter-low-energy-nuclear-reaction-lenr-power-generation

4) Rossi speaks, mainly about the future:

Andrea Rossi
June 16th, 2015 at 7:32 AM


Martyn Aubrey:
So, it’s F9: I take advice of it!
The temperature of 1600 K is equivalent to 1327°C ( it is 1600 – 273).
The Hot Cat 1 MW plant is object now of designing. We still do not have a prototype.
After the end of the test on course in the factory of the IH Customer ( F9) we’ll start the construction of a Hot Tiger.
Thank you for your attention to our work.
Warm Regards,
A.R.

Andrea Rossi
June 16th, 2015 at 9:11 AM

Ecco Liberation:
Thank you for the information.
As a matter of fact, “tiger” will not be the name. The name will be simply “E-Cat” followed by a number that will correspond to the power in kW. Example for the Hot Cat of 1 MW it will be: E-Cat -HT 1000, where HT stays for the series with high temperature. For the low temperature series, it will be “LT”.
Warm Regards,
A.R.


OTHER

System thinking is a must for LENR-ist; I have told this many times.
So please see this:
12Manage is a treasure of management wisdom.

Alain Coetmeur has discovered an excellent paper, not new but stimulating:
Accept Defeat: The Neuroscience of Screwing Up

13 comments:

  1. Process of design... means a few more years.

    BTW, Peter, have you seen my post about the hot cat all along?

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    1. Dear Danny, which one, where?
      peter

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    2. Dear Danny, which one, where?
      peter

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    3. On Vortex. No one answered. I will copy it here:

      I was thinking about the steam mania from Rossi. It might had not be some quirk of his character to test like that and the reason is simple:

      1)The reactor was really hot, say above 1300C>, for example, since the beginning. But it was a tiny reactor and prone to run away, it had to be cooled. But cooling with just normal water would require a fast running water over its small cross section. This may have bad consequences like the creation of turbulence. Turbulence would significantly reduce the absorption of heat by water, leading to catastrophic consequences.

      2)The solution might had been the pump of a quantity of water just enough to boil what passed through it. The heat of evaporation could take away the heat without a fast running water.

      3)The hot cat is just a reactor that can get rid of it heat by emission.

      So, perhaps people trying to reproduce a NiH should really go to high temperatures and cool it with water, by boiling it. Simply letting the heat way by the way the hot cat shows, is avoiding a development step.

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    4. Why reinvent the wheel. High temperature heat transfer has been solved in fission reactors where fuel rods made of zirconium provide the interface betwwen the uranium fuel pellets the 400C pressurized water(superheated steam). Rossi could be doing the same thing. All the temperatures are of the same order.

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    5. Yes, but no one told him that. And maybe he didn't have the resources. The scale of something is very important. It was the first subjecto of Galileo's dialogue's between 2 worlds.

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    6. Danny,
      How to transfer heta from a surface of 1300C to water ias a challlenge. Some internediry heat transfer stuff seems to be becessary.
      Rossi surely will not say us how he wants to do this with Hot Cats. I am not speculating.

      Best wishes,
      Peter

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    7. Danny,
      How to transfer heta from a surface of 1300C to water ias a challlenge. Some internediry heat transfer stuff seems to be becessary.
      Rossi surely will not say us how he wants to do this with Hot Cats. I am not speculating.

      Best wishes,
      Peter

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  2. Peter some discussions with Rossi today on popcorn & burning charcoal of interest to at least you, Axil Axil & me I think. One Paul posed an interesting question to Andrea.
    Andrea I read with much interest & enthusiasm the question Paul put to you yesterday & your insightful reply
    "
    Would you say the reaction in the e-cat is behaving more like the slow burn of a piece of charcoal, or more intermittent, like popcorn in popcorn popper?Paul "

    You said it is first popcorn & then the burning glowing charcoal.

    Then I watched the test of me356 the other day where he had a quick response IR temperature measurement device & a TC for comparison in his graphs. As a former good controls engineer I saw what I would have needed years ago to master the Hot E-Cat for you. I am no longer that competent.

    There are three ways a control engineer can get insight into a proces from dynamic test. They are Impulse, step,or pulse width modulated open loop input signal to the primary process, which in me356's case were obtained with manual control of his TRIAC power supply & impulse & step inputs as he was powering down his fuel element.

    One could clearly see on the sort of impulses he implemented the very fast response picked up in the IR device. The TRIAC caused a very big pop in the micro burst process in his fuel element as you could see it in the sharp change initially & them the "Charcoal ember" in the long time respone of either or both the local metal mass or long term isotope decay constant responsible for burning embers.

    These response are all a good controls engineer needs to build a good control system. Just as in current fuzzy logic PID controllers one must know where the process is coming from & where it wants to go. For wide range control in a non linear fourth power regulated response the steps must be repeated over several points of the thermal operation region at least several times to accommodate these in the control systems response as a function of load (700 C - 1400 C) & build up of (sssm) content also to where no control input is necessary.

    It would be very helpful to that engineer to know what is going on at the mico burst level either by acoustic signal, video signal, EM signal from that fast time constant (popcorn) area for both control & protection of the Hot E-Cat processes.

    Raeffaelo, of quad copter fame, would know just how to do that with said dynamic data & his developed adaptive controller as he beautifully manipulates his quad to carry a stick, play catch ball with him or still operate after three of his four propellers are clipped with scissors.

    Thank me356 & Raeffaello for giving us both this incite & Paul for his question & you for your reply. I did capture a
    screen shot of me356's test I will try to get to you for your enjoyment.

    Jim

    Thanks me356, Raffaello, Paul & you for this pleasant engineering trip.

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    1. Dear Jim,

      Thank you for the really wise comments.
      I would be grateful for an guest editorila about what do you think about the control system of the E-Cats and the Hot-Cats.
      It is obvious that Andrea Rossi is actually a communicator type however he MUST protect his IP so I don't know how is built his control system, but for now he had 4 years to solve this problem. I have disliked from the start the system to combine many small units together but I think he was forced to do this for the sake of progress/survival. Up to know he was lucky to not have real competition, Defkalion has stopped due to financial and health problems. So he can allow to tes the 1MW plant for 400 long days without communicating daily COP values etc.He will follow with a 1MW Hot Cat plant- how many days of testing?

      Thank you for he other interesting news too.

      Peter

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    2. Dear Jim,

      Thank you for the really wise comments.
      I would be grateful for an guest editorila about what do you think about the control system of the E-Cats and the Hot-Cats.
      It is obvious that Andrea Rossi is actually a communicator type however he MUST protect his IP so I don't know how is built his control system, but for now he had 4 years to solve this problem. I have disliked from the start the system to combine many small units together but I think he was forced to do this for the sake of progress/survival. Up to know he was lucky to not have real competition, Defkalion has stopped due to financial and health problems. So he can allow to tes the 1MW plant for 400 long days without communicating daily COP values etc.He will follow with a 1MW Hot Cat plant- how many days of testing?

      Thank you for he other interesting news too.

      Peter

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    3. Rossi said:

      Andrea Rossi
      June 16th, 2015 at 7:31 PM
      Paul:
      Looking at the derivatives I would answer more like popcorns, looking at the integral I would say piece of charcoal.
      Warm Regards,
      Sibilla Cumana


      IMHO, this responce from Rossi means that LENR occurs in the E Cat as many powerful nanobursts. Each LENR reaction is discrete. There are many individual powerful bursts. When the reaction is looked at in derivatives, many discrete events are seen.

      When the reaction is looked at as an integral, these many individual events occur at a constantly decreasing rate and on the average produces a smooth production of energy over a extended time frame that is at a maximum at the start but fades over time.

      When many individual reactors are controlled in a sequence where the initial burst from the reaction drives the next reactor to produce a burst delayed in time and so on around in a cycle of maximum to miniatum reaction intensity over many reactors, a relatively constant amount of power can be produced.

      The same cyclic process can turn exploding gasoline in the cylinders of an auto engine into constant power .

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    4. So, if Rossi is telling the truth, does this put down the ideas about any kind of quantum condensate or spin-glass forming as the basis of the reaction?

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