Wednesday, May 25, 2016

MAY 25, 2016 INTERVIEW WITH LENRHUN.HU. MULTIPLICATIVE vs ADDITIVE EXCESS HEAT

MOTTO

About LENR- thoughts of a nice reader:


"LENR is a wonderful, lovely matter of our desperate world and reality (I say it also because of the great chaos around our Rossi and IH).  
LENR is also strange and enigmatic and, as all such things, it needs wisdom, sensitivity, honesty and to be balanced. "
(Daniela Tomasella)

Thanks, dear Daniela, you have beautifully explained why we love LENR!

DAILY  NOTES

a) Short interview with Erno Lakatos, leader of the new Hungarian LENR research unit.



Dear Erno,

Welcome in the LENR Family- a great one and perhaps the most interesting, not exceedingly lucky scientific family ever!
It is really good news that -as many other countries Hungary is taking LENR increasingly seriously and professionally.
Please have the kindness to answer to a few questions about your Way in LENR A first set..

Q-     What has determined you/your organization to join the LENR movement just now? What were the decisive factors, determining you to take this first step?

A- One of the main decisive factor was simple the curiosity. I started my experiments with microwave in 2011 on hobby level . At that time I read a paper on effects of near EM field and some article about new emerging ceramic processing with microwave irradiation.. Then, when I completed some simple experiments making hot spots by intense microwave irradiation, I came to the conclusion that it could happen because of LENR type reaction.
On the other hand launching lenrhun.hu hopefully could help us to find sponsors. I think I do not need to explain to anyone in LENR world how expensive is an experiment setup.

Q-  You have mentioned the help received from Prof Peter Kalman-and I am pleased to tell that I was very positively impressed by a pioneering LENR theory written by him and Tamas Keszthelyi-   is he the mentor of LENRHUN.HU?

A- I would not say that he is my mentor. Peter and me have a very good, friendly relationship. We discuss the latest development on LENR area very often.

Q-  What is your LENR ideology- what do you believe about it how large is your area of interest? Are you focused on the nuclear aspects - as transmutations or do you include useful heat generation in your research? Do you want to explore first the potential of microwaves? 

A- In general I can say that the LENR phenomenon seems to be extremely complex processes. Therefore it requires completely new scientific approach from different areas like material science, plasma physics, nuclear physics etc.
I think using microwave irradiation we can obtain or make NAE (nuclear active environment) , where the nuclear reaction could take place.
(NOTE. Till reading this, I already had full sympathy for Erno Lakatos, now I liked so much his answer that I have accepted him as Friend- not only Facebook-wise! He has perspectives)

Q- Your goals are here (from the site)
1. General knowledge sharing and transfer on LENR (Low Energy Nuclear Reaction) activities.
2. Proof-of-theory phase: to demonstrate that the theories are reflected/mirrored by experiments.
3. Prototype creation phase: to develop/create a device which can be scalable and can operate reliably
.
However some specific details would help:

- for 2. what in short range, what strategically?
- for 3.- what must the scalable device be able to do- in nuclear reaction, in energy?
Here we focus on proof-of-theory phase. First of all we would like to understand how the nuclear reaction goes on. Not an easy task, but there is a chance to see through it.

Currently we are not a company. It’s just a private  or civil initiative. The next step could be to establish a company. Therefore  currently we have a temporary place/lab  to do our experiments.

Let's wish success to this new LENR fighters!

b)Replicating Rossi means multiplicative not additive excess heat. (essential!)

The recent successful Chinese experience rises again the question is this a replication of Rossi's process? My opinion is that NO- Rossi plays in an higher heat league- a real success in Rossi replications means excess heat should go from additive to multiplicative a quality leap not an incremental progress.
If not thinking as engineers, pragmatists, realists-quantitatively  we not see the essence that differentiates what Rossi does from what others  do- now..

I have asked Andrea Rossi: 
 I think somewhere along your over-challenging problem solving and development Odyssey,you have made a decisive step forward a qualitative leap, a turning point:
excess heat went from additive to multiplicative.
Even today only you have the necessary know how to get multiplicative excess heat.

What do you think about this idea?

His answer: I think you got the right measure of it.

Like or not like this, this is the situation!

c) Ed Storms about multiplicative excess heat in classic LENR (heat after death) and about his creativeve research strategy

(we can learn from him even if we do not agree with the details, the blue print counts more!)
The term "heat after death" only referrs to the heat that continues after the electrolytic current is turned off. This allows the D to leave the PdD and the composition to decrease. Eventually, all D will be lost, especially if the sample self-heats, as F-P demonstrated can happen  If the rate of LENR were sensitive to the D/Pd ratio, the power should decrease and eventually stop as D is lost. It does not. The power continues even as the composition continues to decrease. This behavior first noted by F-P provided the first indication that composition is not a major variable affecting power production.  My studies confirmed this conclusion.  As long as a little D is present along with the required NAE, power will be produced by LENR.  The most important variable, other than the NAE concentration, is temperature - NOT the deuterium concentration. This conclusion is in direct conflict with what is presently believed and applied to creating an explanation for the process. 

Finding out how to make Pd nuclear active is the goal of my present work. Apparently, the Pd has to have an initial condition that has not been identified. If this condition is present in the Pd, the D needs to be added and removed several times from the Pd to make it nuclear active. The D/Pd ratio does not affect this process although the maximum D/Pd ratio is a marker for the critical condition that must be present to eventually allow activation. 

  Cleaning the surface with HNO3 and heating at 900° in air improves the ability to react with D and does not affect the ability to make excess energy. 

Creating enough NAE in Pd is difficult and is the reason PdD does not result in much excess power. Also, PdD has not been explored at as high a temperature as used to sturdy Ni.  When higher temperatures were applied using the Pd on a Case catalyst, significant energy was produced. Apparently, Kirkinskii et al. have explored a similar type of Pd and temperature range with success. 

Peter, if progress is to be made, the errors in  the present theories need to be corrected. I'm not talking about the nuclear mechanism. The nuclear mechanism is irrelevant to understanding how to initiate LENR. The material itself MUST be the focus.  A very unusual and rare condition MUST be  created before the nuclear mechanism can operate.   

Also, materials besides Pd and Ni need to be studied. People keep following the herd and end up going over the cliff with very little to show for their effort.  

The behavior is consistent with creation of nano-cracks, as I have been advocating.  This conclusion  suggests a single universal NAE is operating in all materials and it  supports the same universal mechanism to cause fusion and transmutation.  Once this basic conclusion is adopted, a search for methods to improve the amount of this kind of NAE and for better materials becomes possible.  Right now much of the search is based on variations of the W-L theory (i.e. neutron production) or on the nonsense suggested by Rossi.  These paths lead nowhere as is demonstrated by known behavior. 

DAILY NEWS


1) Zhang Hang Report on LENR Experiment Translated by MFMP (COP 1.23)

2) Summary of Zhang Hang’s May 2016 LENR Experiment (Songsheng Jiang)
http://www.e-catworld.com/2016/05/25/summary-of-zhang-hangs-may-2016-lenr-experiment-songsheng-jiang/

3) In French: E-Cat, cold fusion, shenanigans and great money.
E-Cat, fusion froide, magouilles et gros sous
Videos of ICCF-13 for the first and unique time in Russia June 25 to July 01, 2007
Видео ICCF-13 впервые и пока единственный раз в России 25.06-01.07.2007г.
Thanks to Yuri Nikolaevich Bazhutov
(благодаря Бажутову Юрию Николаевичу): 1-й день 2-й день 3-й день 4-й день 5-й день6-й день
by Anatolii Vasilievich Shestopalov
Шестопалов Анатолий Васильевич.

5) Cold Fusion videos:

6) Breakthrough Clean Energy Team...next steps and links from the Gathering.
Brillouin is discussed too.

7) My friend Uwe Doms- inspired by my editorial of yesterday about the Great picture
Das große Bild – Die LENR Revolution und Peter Glucks Elefant
Das große Bild – Warum ist die LENR Revolution bedeutender als das Internet?
It will be translated in English


LENR IN CONTEXT-1

Where Is New Physics Hiding, And How Can We Find It? (Synopsis) [Starts With A Bang]:
https://mail.google.com/mail/u/0/#inbox/154e7dcb613caf5c


LENR IN CONTEXT-2

What Steve Jobs can teach you about overcoming business challengeshttps://www.linkedin.com/pulse/what-steve-jobs-can-teach-you-overcoming-business-vlad-ninov-mba?trk=eml-b2_content_ecosystem_digest-recommended_articles-49-null&midToken=AQH1IEzg8NsNvQ&fromEmail=fromEmail&ut=191HdYndFlmTg1

13 comments:

  1. Steve Jobs was exceptional at hiring the
    right people and inspiring them to do the
    impossible ,plus a good business sense.
    You would think when most thought cold
    fusion impossible he would have thought
    about researching it.
    They missed that he picked apples in California to make ends meet.

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  2. Regarding the statement:

    “The behavior is consistent with creation of nano-cracks, as I have been advocating. This conclusion suggests a single universal NAE is operating in all materials and it supports the same universal mechanism to cause fusion and transmutation. Once this basic conclusion is adopted, a search for methods to improve the amount of this kind of NAE and for better materials becomes possible.”

    We need to read the LUGANO report in great detail to understand that the nickel was melted. Rossi understood that the Lugano reactor got so hot that most if not all the nickel inside its core melted. This observation came about because Rossi picked that melted particle out from the side of the reactor core as described by Dr. Cook. It was the only piece of nickel that he could conveniently free and; subsequently led to a low submission of core ash for analysis. Rossi was surprised by this result but as it is in his way, this observation was used to develop a very high temperature reactor where all nickel is in a liquid state, the Quark.

    Rossi took this new understanding of how the LENR reaction could continue even if nickel was in a melted state into the next design of the quark reactor which runs at very high temperatures beyond the melting point of nickel.

    There are other states of matter besides cracks that support the LENR reaction as its operating temperature increases into the vapor stage; those theorists who are fixated on this crack paradigm are stuck in a less meaningful past of LENR evolution. Attention should be drawn into the formation of nanoparticles and how these forms of matter exist when temperatures increase beyond the melting point of the original reactor materials.

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  3. As arguments continue to rage about LENR, Dr. Mills of Brilliant Light Power has stated that the manufacturing CADs for his Suncell that is based on tested and reproducible hydrino formation from hydrogen (or deuterium) are now in the hands of OEMs for construction of prototypes.

    If people have been paying attention to this company over the last six months you would have seen reactors fired up to produce blackbody radiation of 5000 degrees in large glovebox cavities and detailed plans for using this energy source for thermovoltaics (where the high temp of an emitter like a tungsten shell produces wavelengths matched to cPVs). The target product appears to be a compact reactor of 250kw suitable for producing enough energy to drive a high performance car.

    Although I try to tell all the LENR researchers that hydrino reactions are the starting point of all their excess energy claims, none of them appear to listen, even though the experiments are reproducible, the energy production is massive and the theory behind it consistent and reliable in making accurate predictions that match experiment and far exceed the predictive powers of Quantum Theory.

    Mills theory suggests that some fusion involving the use D may occur but that this will involve trace amounts of fusion products only with most of the energy produced by collapsing hydrogen to more tightly bound states and these small, stable states are the identity of the Universe's dark matter.

    Hopefully some of you at least will read Mills' GUTCP and finally see why it is that none of you has been able to find a coherent theory of LENR and why the identity of the hydrino is what you have been seeking all these years.

    After all, the relevance of cracks and the material can simply be explained as follows: cracks contain packed hydrogen and the material of the cracks may split H2 (or D2) from its molecular form to its atomic form which is a requirement for hydrino reactions to occur.

    Regards, Mack

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    1. Its the other way around. Mills is producing a dusty plasma where various types of nanoparticles generated by the exploding spark are showing the spectral characterizations that Mills theory has backed into.

      I hope this design does work. It worked once before in the first water based Papp reactor patented back in the mid 1960s.

      Mills would be well served to replace those PV cells with a piston. Bit then Mills would not have anything new to patent.

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    2. I can't say whether Papp's Nobel gas engine worked or how it worked. He was the only one to get it working, never produced a product and when I read his patent, didn't use hydrogen and appears to claim that he was fissioning helium which doesn't make sense as that would be endothermic. Maybe he had something, maybe he didn't but nothing ever came of it. Perhaps he never understood it himself and unlike Mills lacked a theory to work out what if anything was happening.

      The Suncell appears to produce most of its energy as light, rather than pressure. Perhaps if the volume of the cell was reduced, piston driven work could occur but the energies are extreme- the piston and chamber would likely be destroyed in a short period of time.

      The Suncell's thermovoltaic system seem an elegant, direct conversion option for such a high energy source. I imagine if LENR can be demonstrated to work (separately from hydrinos) that is the same pathway they would follow for electricity production.

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  4. Dear Peter,
    I like your site and look at it every day.
    I would like someone like you to comment on a theory about LENR
    that I have not seen mentioned.
    You are probably aware that modern small diesel engines are very sensitive to diesel fuel quality.
    The injector is a delicate expensive device and will fail if there is water in the fuel.
    What you have is a tiny drop of water under extremely high pressure injected into a very hot cylinder.
    I mentioned the possibility of an LENR type reaction to a quite experienced diesel engineer. He said the failure is caused by the instant evaporation of the water (a 1 to 1600 volume increase).
    I doubt him because I think the injector material could easily sustain the increased pressure. However I dont have the skills to do the calculation. Have you ever heard of this speculation before?
    regards
    Richard Hill

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    1. Dear Richard, my pleasure, surely I want to disuss thais with you but I do ot understand excatly the problem.
      Please write me at:
      peter.gluck@gmail.com

      see you there...
      peter

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  5. The one great disadvantage of the "wet" system is it inability to support COP amplification, One of Rossi's great accomplishments is his discovery of how to amplify the COP of a cluster of reactors using the so called cat/mouse setup. IMHO, this can not be done in a wet system. In a dry system, such a method can be done as EM356 is exploring currently. Without COP amplification, the wet system is non competitive.

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  6. I wonder if Ed Storms has tried Cold deformation of metal to create nano cracks. If not I would certainly recommend trying that. Metal treated like that is very sensitive for metal embrittlement (by H2/D2), which I believe may be the foundation of LENR as Ed does: Nano cracks, NAE.

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    1. Dear Marc,

      If I understand you correctly: you think that there is a high probability of the formation of nano-cracks in a metal suffering embrittlement?

      Can this process made actionable, controllable, of long duration.
      What would metallurgy say?

      thanks,
      peter

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    2. Dear Peter,
      I am not a metallurgist, but I due to the work I have been involved in I have seen that when very strong alloys are being cold deformed more than 85% they become even stronger, but also very sensitive for embrittlement, leading to cracks. Can it be that when you break the crystal bonds nano locations are formed which can take H or H2?

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  7. I wish Erno the greatest success in his LENR efforts, but I think he may need to reconsider the source of the elemental shift he is seeing and look at possible contamination sources etc. If the shift was due to transmutation as he suggests, the transmutation of just 1 mg of K releasing the 0.725 MeV proposed would release approximately 1.8 MJ of heat. Over the 45 second test that would be a hard to miss 40 kW output.

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