Monday, June 27, 2016



What is impossible in LENR ? That Andrea Rossi will give it up before everybody will be able to get energy from it.
That is the only impossibility I can be sure of,  (Andrea Rossi).

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“Citius, Altius, Fortius.
Faster, Higher, Stronger.” (Olympic quote) 


In soccer, LENR and Life Citius always wins !

Yesterday my wife and I were watching soccer UEFA EURO 2016 Belgium vs, Hungary. After a few minutes remembering my career as apprentice chronometrist for athletics from the 1950s my father acting then as coach- I told my wife:"see the Belgians are running so much faster, under 10.5 seconds per 100 meters while the Hungarians are slower then 11 seconds per 100 meters. it will be  catastrophe. 
Something similar happened a few days ago when the Albanians "outrun" the Romanian team. Fastness is so important in other sports too, I remember that as a kid I was sent to maestro Pellegrini's fencing school and he was contented with me- clumsy but very fast moving hands. It was in our period of reading Dumas and Michel Zevaco etc.  so it was a cult of fencing and duelling but it is over now I have some duels with LENR people as below.

It is not easy to speak about fastness in classic LENR  However Rossi obviously loves speed inclusive in development.

b) Facts can be understood only in their context.

Jed Rothwell:
You have not seen the data, so you have no basis to be convinced. Or not convinced. This is a technical issue. Opinions don't count. Everything hinges on flow rates, temperatures, instrument specifications, and so on. Based on these factors, experts at I.H. concluded that the reactor is not producing any excess heat. I am far less capable than those experts, but to the best of my ability, looking at a sample of that data, I too reached that conclusion.

You, Peter Gluck and everyone else will have to wait to see the data, and also the analysis of it from Rossi and from I.H. You cannot decide anything until then. You cannot even have an opinion. The rules of engineering and science say that every judgement must be grounded in facts, and you have no facts.
I think it is a grave mistake for Peter to assume he knows what is going on, and to assume that Rossi is right in this dispute, and that I.H. and I are lying. Since he has no facts, this reaction is purely emotional. It is irrational. Since he has no engineering details, he trots out all kinds of half-baked notions about business contracts, or the timing of announcements, or he quotes lies spread by Rossi -- as if you can draw a technical conclusion from such fluff! It is pathetic.

Peter is wrong. He will regret it if the facts are ever revealed. In science, you must never let your emotions or wishful thinking overrule rational, objective, fact-based analysis.

Jed continues stubbornly to non-answering to my 5 stupid, nosy and irrelevant questions and, as a symptom of something I still do not want to  define exactly he answers to an imaginary question I have never put

This question, his not mine can be formulated as: 

"Rossi says test good, IH says test bad. Being a Rossi fan and having b ovo great prejudices against IH, I believe Rossi. Why, on which basis, you, Jed are certain that IH is right? IT IS AN NONEXISTENT QUESTION!

I will repeat and explain my questions in a form a bit more accessible  for you, supposing you are right 100%.
Rossi wrong, IH right. e will state together if this manoeuvre contributes to the missing IQ of the questions, makes them less impertinent and gives them a minimum of sense and relevance.

NOTE. I see logical rational straight thinking and discussions are not on your list of strengths so I must have more patience with you, just first I want to tell you about FACTS that are your privilege and not given to dorinary people:
Facts have significance only in context.
A first fast example. You read;

"Edmond Dantes has mercilessly ruined the lives of three rich and happy men"

What  a sadistic rascal is the natural reaction to this but if you put the fact in proper context - the story of Count Monte Cristo by Alexandre Dumas= changes the understanding of the facts completely, isn't? Now your facts being OK let's return, for the lasttime to the lowly evaluated questions

1- Did Rossi and IH have a valid contract that states; that if the general performance test were successful, they should pay a great sum to Rossi? Possible answers Yes and No- the contrct was broken by IH. 
Seemingly facts missing it was not and it has opened Rossi's way to a Trial. Jed please do not sya me that IH is happy with Trial, I am stupid but not sooo stupid!
It means if Rossi's results were indeed  such a catastrophe total and continuous to maintain the contract.. why 's sake (the Greek God of Greed)

2- IH has not paid and said the Test was not good; where is the first written document with serious warnings from IH to Rossi saying this; was it after the 1st, 2nd or 3rd ERV report? 
What could be confidential or secret in such a document of angelic honesty- "you are in trouble, we do not see excess heat even with the magnifier glass!" Harmony between thoughts, words and action is essential even to a company.It did not happened even at the end of the test or at the receipt oh ERV report no. 4. It happened when the Trial started. What is ou fact, in what context?

3- IH employees have participated at the test in parallel with Rossi's men; is there a written document showing they are in any way discontent with the test and the test being “a disaster”?

Is this a toxic question?  Rossi says they were there- what is the fact yu know and those who ask- no?

4- When was the total incompetence of the ERV discovered; i.e. the inadequacy of the measuring instruments and when was it stated that the measurements are fatally flawed? (a document dated in 2015?)

As far as I can understand the methods of measurement were the same- dreadful from start o finish, they were never good then. This is a sad but explosive fact in the context of  a vlid 94 milliion contract.
for a successful test.

5- Rossi claims: “All I know is that Darden and JT Vaughn collected $150 million after the test of the 1 MW E-Cat began, using the first and second report of the ERV as a tool to get the money, then after the 4th report ( equal to the former ones) they said what they said and did not pay” Is this slander and false accusations? Is this slander or false accusation?

This question deserves its color, it can be an infamous accusation but it comes from Rossi and who knows better the facts related to the 1MW plant?  Is it a stupid question? Not at all because it is disturbing It is nosy only if it false, completely. It is not relevant for Jed but it can be relevant for many people some of them quite influential due to its deeper significance.

So Jed I ask you to not invent my questions, retract at least "nosy" and feel free to play with your facts
that are flawed like the ultraviolet unicorns- invisible, intangible, unverifiable  missing birth certificates
and.. prepare to get facts from the Trial. My own sources say, but I can not reveal their identity that
the trial will take place in the first 5 days of September. A new rule- all the witnesses will be obliged to perform an IQ test before testifying. You have arranged this, ?


1) Excess Heat Generation in Ni + LiAlH4 System (New Report by I.N. Stepanov and V.A. Panchelyuga)

2) LENR afternoon with Ubaldo Mastromatteo- more videos
Pomeriggio Lenr Ubaldo Mastromatteo (5)
Claudio Pace have to ask Ubaldo to send us the text! not clear yet in which extent it is about LENR in the frame of rational mysticism

3) An interesting paper signalled by EGO OUT on June 25, is discussed here:
[Vo]:Ukrainian Paper on the active particle of LENR

4) A cold fusion paper in Dutch:

5) Andrey Illich Fursov (Russian Historian, sociologist, polytologist and publicist): About the Nuclear Cold Fusion of Ivan Stepanovich Filimonenko

6) At June 21, 2016 at Geneva Switzerland it was a press conference about an epochal discovery of transmutation of chemical elements by a biochemical method.
At the press conference have participated Tamar SahnoViktor Kutashov scientists
who made this discovery and Vladislav Karabanov administrator and leader oif this project.
Link to the patent for this invention

Very interesting I started to discuss with Vladimir Vysotskii about this he is the greatest specialist in biochemical transmutations.

7) Also see the above info, here:
Russian Team “Actinides” Announces Discovery of Industrial Biochemical Method of Elemental Transmutation (Press Conference and Press Release)
8 ) Greg Goble
Energy 54+ Black Swans listed by Paul Maher
Umair Haque: "The Art of Awakening"
It is time for a LENR awakening!

Why rudeness at work is contagious and difficult to stop


  1. "Did Rossi and IH have a valid contract that states; that if the general performance test were successful . . ."

    I have not read the contract carefully, and I know little about contracts. Here is what I know: the performance was not successful. The data from Rossi proves that the machine did not work.

    "IH has not paid and said the Test was not good; where is the first written document with serious warnings from IH to Rossi saying this; was it after the 1st, 2nd or 3rd ERV report?"

    This is not a technical question. This has no bearing on calorimetry or science. This question illustrates how you have missed the point. You cannot judge a technical question by looking at people's behavior, or by examining business contracts. This question is fluff.

    The dispute between Rossi and I.H. is about calorimetry. It is about flow rates, temperatures, steam quality and instruments. Your questions are irrelevant. Even if you knew the answers, they would not bring you one millimeter closer to knowing whether the machine worked or not.

    Instead of waiting to learn the technical details, you obsess over these unrelated, non-scientific questions and gossip that has no bearing on the technical issues. I do not understand how a person with a technical background could make such a mistake.

    Your other questions are also useless unscientific gossip and fluff.

  2. Peter, it has already been explained to you many times that you do not have the right to ask for privileged documents and nobody has any obligation to give them to you. If you continue this obsession of repeating the same inappropriate questions to people who cannot answer you, readers may repeatedly question your judgement. If you really want answers to private questions, ask Rossi or IH directly. But please spare us this litany of supplications.

    Rossi has already told you that all he knows is ... All the rest is just innuendo to make drama out of unrelated facts. Or do you think that as soon as IH starts a test Cherokee must halt its entire investment business? The mind boggles.

  3. Peter,

    Some thoughts on why Jed Rothwell is so surprisingly persistent with his comments and claims that the entire Rossi 12 month test was a failure (and by default plus his blunt claims that Andrea Rossi and his claims dishonest).

    Firstly, those of us who made published comments about IH's highly questionable behavior (such as my own comments published here) honed in on these aspects ...

    1) That IH had paid 2 lots of money to Rossi for eCat tech

    2) That IH have been in a relationship with Rossi for close on 3 years and not given any prior clear indication before the 12 month test of any issues with that relationship.

    3) That Rossi's claim that IH used the early phases of the 12 month test to do fundraising. (this was very damning to IH's position).

    4) Especially, that when this all exploded, the loudest anti Rossi voices were almost all known anti LENR people as well and thus were clearly biased and opportunistically leaping in to exploit the Rossi IH rift but were still using the situation to attack LENR in general.

    What I am seeing, is that IH have adjusted their tactics in their publicity battle with Andrea Rossi by privately enlisting the support of people we all know are pro LENR (such as Jed Rothwell - and 1 or 2 others). Jed is currently and without doubt, a champion for IH's position. The issue you (Peter) raise regadring this is how is Jed able to be so certain when few others have access to what ever it was/is that he has been given access to.

    The outcome: Jed is proclaiming (probably with some sense of justification) that we now need to accept 'Jed says' vs 'Rossi says'.

    IMHO, it is clear that IH have set out to enlist the support of recognized pro LENR identities to counter the quite effective anti IH messages that Andrea Rossi put out around the time he filed his lawsuit.

    But the questions you (Peter) raise, are valid questions and deserve to be answered. Clearly there will be no answers from Jed who argues he doesn't know other than the material passed to him to enlist his active anti Rossi remarks.

    So, by enlisting people who are known to be pro LENR people, IH are effectively countering the harsh criticism some of us directed at them and also those people who we know are both anti LENR and anti-Rossi and who leaped on the IH bandwagon as champions of their battle with Rossi.

    It seems to me IH saw itself in difficulty in the word war until it was able to associate its position with pro-LENR people and break away from only being supported by the opportunity grabbing anti-LENR voices we all know so well.

    Doug Marker

    1. Doug Marker wrote: "The outcome: Jed is proclaiming (probably with some sense of justification) that we now need to accept 'Jed says' vs 'Rossi says'."

      No, that is not what I am saying. If you would shut up and read what I say, you would see that. Here, let me repeat myself:

      I am saying that YOU MUST WAIT FOR THE DATA. You cannot judge a scientific question until you see the data and analyses. YOU CANNOT TELL WHO IS RIGHT.

      Got it? Do you understand? I am saying you should reserve judgment and refuse to take sides, because you have no way of knowing who is right.

      Why is that so darn hard for you people to understand!?! What's the matter with you? You should have learned that in third grade, for goodness sake.

      This is science. You do not "understand" things by magic, or by ESP. Only by studying the facts. You have not seen the facts, therefore you do not know. End of story.

      All of your blather about secret motivations is a waste of time. Even if I were a secret agent of I.H., determined to destroy Rossi, that would not affect the validity of my analysis. You would still have to judge my analysis on its own merits only.

    2. Jed, your intemperate knee-jerk reactions to very valid questions, do little to improve your claims and your image.

      Jed you are *trumpeting* IH's defense based on 'Jed Says'.

      Cheers Doug

    3. I am trumpeting the scientific method, which is the extreme opposite of what claim I say. I am not saying "Jed Says," but rather: "the data says" and you must wait to see the data. You cannot understand, agree, or disagree with anything yet.

      I am not saying "you must believe me" I am saying:

      YOU MUST BELIEVE NO ONE. NOT ME, NOT ROSSI, NOT ANYONE. You cannot judge. You must wait and see.

      That could not be more different than the words you are trying to put into my mouth. If you don't understand what I am saying, you have no grasp of how science works.

    4. Jed,

      I suspect you need a break from this. It seems to me you are unable to read your own responses to others and see them for what they are.

      Take a rest.


      Doug Marker

    5. Jed, you seem to forget that you were one of the first, if not the first, to loudly proclaim that Rossi's 1 MW plant didn't work and that Penon was an idiot and a puppet of Rossi and that people that felt that Rossi had indeed discovered something, were fools. I think you've missed the concept that people don't generally like to be called idiots and fools. It looks like you haven't taken your "wait and see" comandment to heart and jumped into the argument with both feet. Yet you still seem offended when people call you on it and ask for proof. You proclaim without proof, and yell when it is asked, even though you were one of the main instigators of this fracas.

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    7. You wrote: "Jed, you seem to forget that you were one of the first, if not the first, to loudly proclaim that Rossi's 1 MW plant didn't work and that Penon was an idiot and a puppet of Rossi . . ."

      I suppose that is because I was one of the first to see a sample or Rossi's data, which is appalling.

      ". . . and that people that felt that Rossi had indeed discovered something, were fools."

      I did not say that. I said, and I repeat, people who try to judge technical issues without seeing any technical data are fools. People such as you, who think they can understand experiments by ESP, or by guessing, or on faith are fools. People who take sides in a technical debate even though they are completely ignorant of the technical issues are fools. An engineer or scientist would say only "I have not seen the data, so I don't know."

      I cannot imagine why you and Peter Gluck disagree with that, but evidently you do. You must think yourselves omniscient. I cannot fathom your mindset. I cannot understand why anyone thinks he can magically do calorimetry without the slightest knowledge of the flow rates, temperature, steam quality, instrument type or any other parameter. Your attitude is mind-boggling.

  4. Addendum:

    In regard to IH actively enlisting pro-LENR people to publicly join in their defense, If I were in their shoes (they are clearly in a difficult position) I would do what they are doing too.

    But, it does raise the question as to what kind of inducements or assistance that IH might be offering these people to go public on their behalf and in their defense against Andrea Rossi.

    I know that all LENR researchers need and seek support so when pro-LENR people clearly become vociferous supporters of the IH position against Andrea Rossi, it justifiably raises the question as to what 'rewards' tangible / intangible, these pro IH voices are being offered.

    All such questions are valid and deserve answers.

    Doug Marker

    1. signed [hl]

      I think that the motivation of people like Jed Rothwell is their "lost honor" - since their position as "thought leaders" was declined once Rossi came on stage. They don't need any money they need only a trumpet to make their voice stronger. IH gave them the trumpet: a biased partial data from the 1 year experiment which falsely "proves" that the calorimetry of ERV and Rossi was wrong.

      Since the fiasco of Jed Rothwell in his false claim that "Rossi would have been cooked in the container if the 1MW exported 1 megawatt" - I believe that Rothwell has no solid background in engineering and can be fooled easily.

      Better ignore crank opinions. Waste of time.

    2. 5) That IH filed for (and recently updated) patents based on Rossi's IP without his knowledge and consent and even in territories where they did not have the license. (Yes I know this is legal but it clearly indicates a contradiction with Jed's position that Rossi's tech. doesn't work. It also suggests that IH may be trying to take advantage of Rossi.)

      6) The license contract seems unusually one-sided and confusing. For example, IH (thru Dewey Weaver) still claims ownership of the IP even though they haven't paid the full amount, while Rossi claims they have lost their license. This is strange, since claims have been made that IH would be glad to pay the full amount if the year-long test succeeded (since the IP would be worth much more) but now they're claiming that even though it failed they still own the IP without paying the full amount according to the contract.


  6. Dear Peter, the presentation done in the afternoon in Assisi as available in the video in italian language, will be available soon as a pdf file on the claudio pace blog. The morning was dedicated to religious subjects. Ubaldo

  7. Dear Peter, the presentation done in the afternoon in Assisi as available in the video in italian language, will be available soon as a pdf file on the claudio pace blog. The morning was dedicated to religious subjects. Ubaldo

  8. Dear Peter, the presentation done in the afternoon in Assisi as available in the video in italian language, will be available soon as a pdf file on the claudio pace blog. The morning was dedicated to religious subjects. Ubaldo

    1. thank you very much, it is dig=fficult to process audio files in Italian not loud enough even with qamplification
      Please let me know when itis vailoble as text.

      I am VERY much interested in your LENR ideas and opinions too.