tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post2628911636116438536..comments2024-03-27T21:35:04.988-07:00Comments on EGO OUT: LENR FRONTLINE REPORT: undecided battle, the war continues.Georgina Popescuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/04628821029016016988noreply@blogger.comBlogger37125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-19213674756107762672013-06-12T19:54:02.055-07:002013-06-12T19:54:02.055-07:00@Allen Kiik
Can you propose how they got a temper...@Allen Kiik<br /><br />Can you propose how they got a temperature feedback? As far as I know there was no probes.<br />Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-31454791372730201222013-06-11T16:44:02.853-07:002013-06-11T16:44:02.853-07:00I don't know if its been reported here before....I don't know if its been reported here before. But there is a new form of LENR<br /><br />We no longer need fancy shmancy nickel and hydrogen. Aged Cheese does the trick.<br /><br />Check out the proof of concept videos. Make sure you watch both<br /><br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovGXDDvc3ck<br />https://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=endscreen&v=Frp03muquAo&NR=1<br /><br />Of course his power measurements are legitimate. <br /><br />Many thanks to tinselkoala for this great and enlightening video.CuriousChrisnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-46040856156108921932013-06-01T05:03:06.374-07:002013-06-01T05:03:06.374-07:00OK, Andrew-DGT is serious professionalism and
orie...OK, Andrew-DGT is serious professionalism and<br />orientation toward science. But this does not mean <br />Rossi has no excess heat and is just juggling with<br />Cold Cats presented as Warm or Hot. Reality is in<br />many colors not only black and whiteAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-46316915821516049012013-06-01T04:59:09.176-07:002013-06-01T04:59:09.176-07:00This comment has been removed by the author.Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-47747853538664631812013-06-01T04:52:35.433-07:002013-06-01T04:52:35.433-07:00Ad felinem - bene dixit!
I guess it's time an...Ad felinem - bene dixit!<br /><br />I guess it's time anyway to jump over to the Defkalion page. Hopefully lurks there not a single rapscallion. At Defkalion.Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-23626827575115180912013-06-01T03:23:33.406-07:002013-06-01T03:23:33.406-07:00Dear Visitors
First of all would you please cease...Dear Visitors<br /><br />First of all would you please cease to discuss<br />ad hominem and talk ad felinem? <br />I have stated my point of view very clearly,YES<br />the Hot Cat has demonstrated EXCESS HEAT finita la<br />discussione. I will let the facts speak and judge<br />the words are exhausted and only useleee parallel<br />monologs are possible.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-45222479748224313032013-06-01T03:06:03.313-07:002013-06-01T03:06:03.313-07:00You seem to excel at unspecific ambiguous little u...You seem to excel at unspecific ambiguous little utterances. Very nice.Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-83411787461604960922013-06-01T00:49:30.807-07:002013-06-01T00:49:30.807-07:00so sure?
ah ah...so sure?<br />ah ah...Alain_Cohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352476615242858677noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-75671833849815249892013-05-31T23:06:29.818-07:002013-05-31T23:06:29.818-07:00I truly feel sorry for Jed. I sense that he has ge...I truly feel sorry for Jed. I sense that he has genuine affection and respect for Rossi. His heart is going to be broken when the ordure strikes the rotating object.Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-47453382958227151792013-05-31T16:12:15.835-07:002013-05-31T16:12:15.835-07:00Jed Rothwell is saying on Vortex that "[to cl...Jed Rothwell is saying on Vortex that "[to claim that] ...an engineer (Rossi) is doing something to make a fake test I do not understand and cannot describe, but I am sure he is doing it. This is empty speculation. It cannot be tested or falsified so it is not scientific."<br />-<br />But that is silly. Of course it can be tested or falsified by having an truly independent evaluation. The problem isn't that Rossi's method of cheating can't be found out. It's that he won't allow the proper *independent* tests to do it. If those could be done, they would either find the method or falsify the claim that there was a method. What Rossi, Levi and the Swedish scientists just did most emphatically does not rule out fraud by some unspecified method.<br /><br />When a magician moves the Status of Liberty, you may not know the method but you can be certain it's an illusion.<br />maryyugonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-2029533346038900252013-05-31T12:18:42.372-07:002013-05-31T12:18:42.372-07:00Video was taken of the entire March test at 1 fps....Video was taken of the entire March test at 1 fps. Therefore there exists data to examine this claim. Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-41213213117003318342013-05-31T12:16:31.706-07:002013-05-31T12:16:31.706-07:00The critics really don't matter if PigsCanFly ...The critics really don't matter if PigsCanFly continue to prove the technology; those who are attacking them will fade into history as imbeciles trying to look important, and will look wonderingly up at the sky as the little piggies fly by.<br /><br />Oink Oink.Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-37027875011125203582013-05-31T12:13:50.183-07:002013-05-31T12:13:50.183-07:00There is zero evidence for thermal runaway in the ...There is zero evidence for thermal runaway in the Rossi device from either December or March tests. Again, repeating my 4th point (of 5) above:<br /><br />- The widespread assumption that the device enters a state of thermal runaway appears to be on shaky ground. The "leaked" picture of the glowing device is of an experimental condition whereby constant and excessive power was continually pumped in. Heating elements exhibit the same behaviour.<br /><br />The Vorts love to talk about this being true (and apparently so do you) simply because it gives them an excuse to "justify" keeping the device plugged in at all times. Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-72441464535241296592013-05-31T12:10:26.536-07:002013-05-31T12:10:26.536-07:00Rossi isn't "continuing to prove his tech...Rossi isn't "continuing to prove his technology". He has never properly demonstrated that he *has* any technology. Unless you consider various forms of electrical heaters powered from the mains or from a huge diesel generator to be technology.<br /><br />Apparently, it doesn't take a master magician to fool Levi and a few Swedish scientists. It takes never doing the same trick twice, never allowing *proper* blank and calibration runs, and never allowing a truly independent test.<br /><br />Rossi is clever at fooling people and I also think he's been unusually lucky that nobody smarter, more suspicious, and less polite than Kullander, Essen, Lewan and Levi has had a go at testing him. <br /><br />Of course, Rossi is also good at screening out people who could discover his scam. He didn't allow a group from NASA to test his ecat nor a group from Quantum/Australia, both in 2011. It seems the ecat was shy and didn't want to work when those people were there. Similarly, Krivit was never shown a complete test. Those failures were probably because the scientists in those cases brought all their own test instruments and they could have discovered Rossi's current bag of tricks.maryyugonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-24191323322945342142013-05-31T09:51:17.236-07:002013-05-31T09:51:17.236-07:00Are we to understand that the heaters apply a puls...Are we to understand that the heaters apply a pulse of heat that triggers the reaction, and that the reaction continues for awhile before the process has to be repeated?<br /><br />If so then do the light and dark stripes on the hotcat change at the heater pulse rate? If the thermal mmass/time constant is long enough to prevent these pulses being observed then how exactly do they deliver _pulses_ of heat to the core? <br /><br />If the dark stripes are shadows of the heaters then the reaction is hotter than the heaters so why doesn't the heat produced by the reaction retrigger the reaction? <br />Fred Sykeshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10691736640232637926noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-42868032940951682622013-05-31T09:03:29.124-07:002013-05-31T09:03:29.124-07:00Bottom line, the critics really don't matter i...Bottom line, the critics really don't matter if Rossi continues to prove the technology those who are attacking him will fade into history as imbeciles trying to look important. If Rossi is a fraud, as they say he is, he will be seen as the greatest Magician who ever lived.<br /><br />One thing is certain the behavior of Rossi's critics such as Mary Yugo is ridiculously juvenile and should be given no quarter to comment as they have proved themselves by their own words. Liberty Newsposthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07006577099341739171noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-71965811750577391262013-05-31T04:37:20.340-07:002013-05-31T04:37:20.340-07:00Yes, I did deduce it myself and this was an easy g...Yes, I did deduce it myself and this was an easy guess, because there is absolutely no other way to control the process which has strong positive temperature feedback, or can you propose one? Allan Kiiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-29174805274040532752013-05-31T03:48:33.905-07:002013-05-31T03:48:33.905-07:00Now, that's very interesting, because it's...Now, that's very interesting, because it's new information to me. Did you deduce that yourself, or get it from someone in the know? I ask because it isn't in the report. I think, because you use the word "guess", that you're actually guessing that and don't actually know.<br /><br />In order to know for sure that the pulsing uses a dT/dt trigger which won't work without the magic powder charge, one would actually have to try it without the charge. I don't believe that this has been done.<br /><br />I am also guessing that it was Levi who suggested this particular dummy calibration protocol. I further suggest that, had the pulsed protocol been used, that one would have concluded from measurement that a simple resistor had a COP of about 3. Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-66169348532747946132013-05-31T03:26:35.474-07:002013-05-31T03:26:35.474-07:00Pulsed mode is not implemented with 555 type timer...Pulsed mode is not implemented with 555 type timer (or microcontroller, whatever), where you just choose the capacitor for required duty-factor, instead I guess the heater power is turned off depending on time derivative of temperature (the researchers discuss about anomalous temperature dynamics in the paper). Without the core, there is no anomalous acceleration on the temperature rise and the working algorithm never reaches the turn-off rule and so the power remains on. There was no easy way to force some duty-cycle and this is not a big problem anyway.<br /><br />I hope they find a way to perform such forced duty-cycle dummy test next time, because comparison of the temperature dynamics of dummy and active reactor is very interesting indeed. Allan Kiiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-3411338055533715582013-05-31T02:45:26.005-07:002013-05-31T02:45:26.005-07:00OK, excused and pax. I still don't think you u...OK, excused and pax. I still don't think you understand the point. If they are capable of making an output power and COP estimate in pulsed mode with a charge in the cylinder, how come they cannot make one with the charge removed? Are you saying that we should disregard the entire experiment because it's too "error-prone"? Look, the whole point of calibration is to change as little as possible. One variable only should have been changed, and that's the removal of the charge. But instead they chose what in fact is a far more error-prone route, and chose a totally different protocol for the dummy test. Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-80484336992800753652013-05-31T02:22:13.312-07:002013-05-31T02:22:13.312-07:00No "ad hominem" here, at least not inten...No "ad hominem" here, at least not intentionally. I'm sure you have your virtues elsewhere, not in a practical metrology.<br />My point was simple, this way the output measurement is much *less* error-prone than other way, and you had to counter it with fantasies about pulling the tricks (for what there is no single shred of evidence).<br /><br />Allan Kiiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-59377156157247851602013-05-31T01:54:13.789-07:002013-05-31T01:54:13.789-07:00Ah, another ad hominem chap hoping that will add c...Ah, another ad hominem chap hoping that will add cogency to his argument (it doesn't, and simply makes you sound silly).<br /><br />Well, you miss the point that apples need to be compared with apples. I strongly suspect that when the control box is placed in pulsed mode, what looks like "pulse OFF" 65% of the time is in fact not that at all. If such a trick were being pulled, what better way to expose it than to repeat that run, except this time with no charge in the cylinder.<br /><br />I don't expect you to understand that line of reasoning, because you're just a metrologist.<br />Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-63864541692060135792013-05-31T01:15:37.627-07:002013-05-31T01:15:37.627-07:00The last point is exact opposite to the reality - ...The last point is exact opposite to the reality - in this type of indirect power measurement (where power is evaluated with integration over one side of Planck's curve) it is actually preferred to have the same output power/temperature in both tests, because the possible errors then have the same direction and magnitude. Input measurement is so much easier and different duty factors do not make it considerably more difficult. <br />I guess this kind of "criticism" comes from people who do not have much experience with real life metrology.Allan Kiiknoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-20005131070662439562013-05-31T01:03:46.665-07:002013-05-31T01:03:46.665-07:00Just to clarify - is the "it" in that st...Just to clarify - is the "it" in that statement LENR, or some aspect of the dialogue here, or something else?Andrew Palfreymanhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17724387088818446383noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-326167780677397310.post-74058925022633170992013-05-31T00:17:46.637-07:002013-05-31T00:17:46.637-07:00It is hopeless,
And the reason why it is hopeless ...It is hopeless,<br />And the reason why it is hopeless is documented.<br />Sorry not personal.<br />Alain_Cohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08352476615242858677noreply@blogger.com